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I suppose I wonder— have we come to think of “leftism” and “a society which works for the majority of humans” as the same thing, and what happens if this turns out not to be the case?

What I mean by that isn’t what it sounds like it means, reading it back. I mean that I think there’s an extent to which Marx begins to outline a model of class contradiction which does not require human beings at all. In Grundrisse 13 there’s a bit where he talks for a while about a machine in a factory which slowly breaks down as it produces things over the years— to the capitalist owning the factory it is a form of fixed capital, and will work until the laws of capital dissolve it. 

But if the machine is one which is autonomous, and is goal-directed… isn’t this exactly the same dynamic that worker and capitalist already had? I started to wonder if class contradictions could maintain if human beings are totally displaced from the workforce, and if no AI person had noticed because they are all libertarians. This seems like it might be very bad for both all of us and for whatever superintelligence a corporation attempts to create— it might go to war with the parts of itself, but we’re outside the class war when it does. “What if the Marxist Utopia arrives, but only once humanity is gone?” suddenly seemed a coherent question to ask. And then I got depressed, when I did.  

I am a lot less confident than most leftists that superintelligence is a fantasy, and I don’t think it needs to rely on wishes to end up coming about. It comes about through an algorithmic process which drives towards short-term profit, and that process meaningfully is an intelligence in the sense which matters here. But I am a lot less confident than most… rightists? that it’s all going to shake out how they think it will. But any way through all that seems like it might involve stepping outside the logic of left and right entirely, in the sense that there might be no place for humans in the dynamic that logic describes

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